SPEAKER_00 0:00

Should your business be on Pinterest, if you're like a lot of other business owners, you might have seen others who are really having a lot of success over there, um, generating new leads, getting increasing their website traffic, landing new clients. At the same time, though, you might also be thinking, oh my gosh, but I'm already doing so much on Instagram and Facebook and YouTube and my podcasts and LinkedIn and all the places. And I'm just on this content hamster wheel. How and why would I want to add another thing to manage? Or maybe you are a business owner who is currently leveraging Pinterest and you're getting a lot of views on your page, maybe even getting a lot of website traffic over on your own website, but it's a little frustrating because those visitors have not been converting into paying clients. Either way, you're in for a treat today in my interview episode with Prush Rogers. Press is a Pinterest marketing expert and ad specialist and dubs herself the Pinterest badass. I love that. Adding Razzle and Dazzle to your strategy. And she helps other business owners open their eyes and show them how to leverage Pinterest, driving more people and more importantly, profit to your online business using all the evergreen content that you're probably already sitting on. And inside this interview episode, we get into all the things about Pinterest, um, talking about how to harness its power for authority building, feeding your funnels, and ultimately growing your business, why it's not just another social media platform. And Prush identifies most as an Enneagram type three with a pretty strong wing, too, on the Enneagram. So we get into a little bit too about what life is like and running a business is like with that type three energy, navigating around being a workaholic, um, navigating around stressing out, burnout, her arrow to nine. So we get into all kinds of details about her personal experience as a type three that you may also be able to relate to. And then as a type three, their core driver is this strive striving to feel and be outstanding. So we hear a little bit about her, um, about Prush, what that experience is like on her end. And then also we talk about how she is helping her clients be and feel outstanding as well. So this is an interview that is packed with very actionable tips. If you have any interest or questions at all about Pinterest, um, you're going to get your dose of that. And then also, whether you identify as a type three or not, you're going to learn a lot about what life is like as that as that type three energy. So without further ado, let's jump into this interview with Press Rogers. Welcome to the Enneagram MBA Podcast, a show for aspiring and growing entrepreneurs and unfulfilled employees who know they are capable of playing bigger. If you are wanting to identify your gifts, find your purpose, do work that matters, and create a ripple effect that goes beyond yourself, you're in the right place. Each week you'll get resources, strategies, and support to help you get to know yourself, to get to know and understand others, like your future clients, and help you get known so that you can reach more people with your gifts and purpose. So grab your notebook or open up your notes app, and I will see you in class. All right, welcome back to another show here on the Enneagram MBA podcast. Today we have a really a topic, an expert on a topic that I'm really interested in. I keep saying I'm gonna jump into, but I just haven't yet. So I'm hoping selfishly after this, like this is the push that I need. But we are here um with Presh Rogers. And she is joining us as a Pinterest expert, um, strategist, also as an Enneagram type three wing two. So we'll get into a little bit about that later. But um, before we do that, welcome to the show, Presh. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here. I am I'm selfishly so excited to have you here. And I I honestly know so many other listeners are going to be as well. We were just talking about kind of social media overwhelm before we recorded. So I want to talk about that. But before I do, or we do, um, tell us just a little bit in your own words, what how do you tell people what you do? And then what are you working on right now?

SPEAKER_01 5:02

Yeah, so I like to keep it simple. I always say that I am a Pinterest badass. Some people say marketing expert, but I like to keep it cute. I always just always like to be extra and aware of all of things. And what I do is I help online businesses and content creators basically learn how to drive more people and profit to their business by leveraging Pinterest. So that's pretty much me and my in a nutshell. And right now I am about to launch um a training called the Three Piece to Pinterest Success. And I'm really excited about this one because I really think it's going to really help people who are trying to understand the really specific parts of Pinterest to understand how it works for them and how it can really help them on their marketing journey.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Okay, so you said something I'm I'm curious about. Um, and then I saw this on some of your social posts about driving traffic to Pinterest, but then also converting. Because I think a lot of people like anything, especially here, you know, on Instagram, Facebook, anywhere. We can get caught up in the likes and the followers and like the views. So tell us a little bit, um, and maybe even before that, let me just back up. Why should we be thinking about adding potentially another platform to our already long to-do list? Like, what is it about Pinterest that has made you create a career around it and why you find it so helpful in these types of businesses?

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Oh, I love this question because let's see, deep breath. Um, it is a strategy that is really helpful if you're looking for something that is going to help you in the like the long run to help you really sustain your business. Because when it comes to like typical social media, so like Instagram and things like that, these are kind of instant. These are things that you show up for right now when you're promoting your products. It's in the kind of like in the now. People see it and you have to keep repeating yourself over and over and over again because it only lasts for so long. Whereas Pinterest is a visual search engine. So the purpose that people go there for is to search and discover something, and you're able to put your content onto Pinterest for people to find at any point in their journey and not just like like right now, if I'm talking about my training, I can always talk about it on Instagram, but I can also create pins for it on Pinterest and I don't have to talk about it there. People can search for it, find it whenever they need it, whether it's this week or you know, three years from now, if it's still relevant. So I think that's the the greatest part about Pinterest is that because it is a search engine, people can find your content for weeks, months, years to come. And it has a much longer lifespan than the typical social media platforms.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Okay, and I'm even noticing this, like I'm just I don't even want to say I'm on YouTube, but I'm just experimenting. And I have even found that true there. Um, where you know you'll post something and then six months later, somebody's still leaving a comment. We're on Instagram. I, you know, that happens very rarely.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

So people have to be stalking you. Yeah. And I think because also YouTube is a search engine. So we have to think about how do we use search engines? Like when we come across content, whether it's Google, Pinterest, YouTube, we we may pay attention to the data course. I look at the date when a blog was written or when it was last updated or things like that. But most times, depending on what it is, it's still going to be relevant content. Like I can find things on Pinterest that, you know, it's not as relevant anymore, but there's still nuggets in there that the foundational things that do not change. So you can still find so much content from people from you know last year, two years ago, five years ago, that it's still relevant to you. And that's how on these search engines, you're still getting comments, you know, a year later. I have a YouTube video when I used to do YouTube in my other previous life that people still find and comment on from like three years ago. And I'm just like, oh my god, like you still are watching these? Like, so it's definitely something to see. Like, I'm not even doing anything, don't promote that channel anymore or anything like that, but people still find that content.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Yeah. And it's like, gosh, you're spending so much time creating this content anyway. Like, why not have a longer shelf life?

SPEAKER_01 9:15

Yeah. That's what I always say.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Let me ask you this. Like, I'm curious, like any tips that you have for creating that actual, like, and maybe you just break it down because I think for for some people, they think, okay, it's just pictures, or like I don't have like an actual like retail store. Like it's not, I don't, I don't know. Like, I'm a I have a service, I have a um what I, you know, coaching, consulting. And so, like, what am I posting on Pinterest? Like, what am I doing over there?

SPEAKER_01 9:48

Right. So people get confused because once again, they're kind of thinking social media, and you know, we create content for Instagram, we create content for our website, even for YouTube or whatever, like that. But the thing about Pinterest is that though they have a new feature or newer feature called idea pens, which is very similar to um Rails, TikToks, IG stories, and short form video type of content that you can create specifically for Pinterest. But typically, when you're creating content that you're linking to on Pinterest, you're linking it to your content that you've already created. So I've already created these blog posts, I've already created these YouTube videos. Um, you're extending traffic to those places off of Pinterest. So that's the difference. The content that you normally create for Pinterest is the actual pin images that is going to tell the person about the content that they are going to go to. So I think we have to look at it differently, is like looking at the content that you're already creating and thinking, like, either how can I make this Pinterest worthy is what I like to say. Um, so that's by like if you have a podcast as yourself, making sure your podcast episodes are on your website. So you can create pins for those podcast episodes and drive traffic to the that website because Pinterest is always going to prioritize your website.

SPEAKER_00 11:02

Okay. So you're saying if it's not on your website, like linking to like your app, like Apple Podcasts, wouldn't it get the same priority?

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Right. It's not all, and it's you have to think once again, the user experience. I'm an Android user, I don't have Apple Podcasts. So if I click on something that takes me to Apple Podcasts, the likelihood of me staying is probably swim to none because if I have to leave my phone open or something like that, as opposed to maybe you send me to your website where it's embedded on the website, or you have like um like a summary or get some good show notes with timestamps and things like that. I'm actually doing a live speaking opportunity um on Pinterest and podcasting this weekend. So I'm like, oh, this is all the stuff I talk about. But like having it where it's more convenient to the pinner and you have to think about it um as a podcaster. On Apple Podcasts, we might read the show the show notes or on Spotify, whatever we might read the show notes. But are we gonna actually click to these things where the as you send them to your website, you can show them like the free offer that you have and have them right there to click on it or you know sign up for your email list or go to your other like blog posts or look at your services, you're able to do more with them on your website than you are on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, things like that.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Okay, and this was actually a question I was gonna ask you, Brush, because I know some people don't have a robust blog or maybe haven't got that up and going yet, but they have other things like a podcast. And so you had said, oh, I forget how you worded it, how to use Pinterest to skyrocket your podcast visibility. And I was like, oh my gosh, tell me more. Um, so that's such a great idea. You know, I'm just again thinking myself, but also you listeners, um, for anybody else who has a podcast using Pinterest for that, like maybe you would start there. Um, if you're not sure where to start, I don't know, would that be a good place to yeah?

SPEAKER_01 12:58

You definitely if you are if you have, I always say when you start at Pinterest, you should have content already. So if you have a like like eight to 10 podcast episodes already, then you have a good foundation to start on. Um, you just have to embed those on your website, do really good show notes. And the show notes, if you do really, you know, SEO-based show notes, that's also going to help you on Google as well. It's not just going to be for Pinterest. We're thinking all platforms, how are we going to show up in um search engines? And that way you have the content. Now you just have to create the pinned images and schedule them um on Pinterest or pin them yourself manually to go out so that people can find them. Because most podcasters I get on you guys all the time. You only promote your episode the week it comes out. So then it's like, okay, we're on to the next one. Well, what if when you put this episode out, they're not looking for to learn about Pinterest marketing right now? But six months from now, maybe they're on Pinterest look looking for stuff about Pinterest marketing, and your podcast episode comes up. And now, like most well, like me, when I find a good podcast episode and it's like a like content that I can kind of go through for different reasons, and I'm gonna binge more of your episodes. And now you're gonna have somebody that is looking forward to your episodes because they found you on Pinterest from an episode from six months ago. Okay, you are a genius.

SPEAKER_00 14:16

That's so true, and guilt, guilty, guilty on that. Um, what would you say? Like, because you had said images, and so like I'm thinking, like, okay, like the podcast image that we create, or like, I don't know, these quote cards that people create in Canva. Is it as simple as just reformatting in Canva to a Pinterest size, or is there some other things we need to be considering?

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Don't do that.

unknown 14:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

You guys didn't see her face. You didn't see her face.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

Because I see this all the time. I've had clients who are podcasters, and a lot of times it's the same image that they will do on Instagram or things like that, or you know, the audio audiogram is the same. And the thing is on Pinterest, what I love about it also is that people don't typically care about the person behind the content just yet. They care about the content, they're there for the content. I go, if I go for a recipe or whatever I go for, recipes that I don't ever make. Um, I'm never caring about who is actually the creator behind these recipes. I'm here because, oh, you have this really good spinach artichoke zip I want to learn how to make. Now, from there, I might look at more of your recipes and then care about who you are. Like I know I have this um quenwa pizza bice that I love to make. And now I follow the person, her blog on Instagram now. Now I know who she is because I started looking at more of her recipes. But in the beginning, it only was about the recipe. So we have to remember it's only about the content on Pinterest in the beginning. So a lot of times we have like if you do like Pinterest marketing with Press Rogers, people might know who I am when they go on Pinterest, but more than likely they do not because it's like want to be a newer audience. So really they care about the content of the show. So it can be like if you talk about like five ways to grow your business with Pinterest, something like that, maybe if I was talking about that, depending on how we wrap this all up. That can be something that interests someone to want to click over and then listen to a podcast episode. Um, a lot of times I see putting like the same title that you might put on your podcast episode, that might not be something that's very keyworded, what people are actually searching for. Um, so you have to really think about like the actual experience on Pinterest versus other platforms.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

Okay, okay. So talking about that, that and that was a great distinguisher between like they want to see your face versus kind of changing up to the topic. Now, okay, so we were getting people here, and then you had shared some really great content. I would just love to hear anything you're willing to share here on now converting that traffic. So, like, what should we what do we need to know? Or maybe even you can say, like, what mistakes do you see people make when it's like, okay, great, I have a lot of views. I got website traffic, but like it's not, it's it's not doing anything. I'm not getting clients.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Right. We have to understand why people are coming from Pinterest and understanding like your actual, like your funnel, or I once was on someone's podcast, I can't even think of the name, but they um he calls it the profit pathway. And I was like, I like that instead of funnel. Like, and um, I believe his name is Chris from automation. I can't remember the name. Oh my god, but his podcast. And um it's really, you know, sometimes we think, oh, I'm gonna go from they're gonna go from Pinterest, finding me on Pinterest and going straight to booking me. And it's like, no, because most people on Pinterest are cold traffic, they're new to you, they don't know who you are. Once again, they're here for your content. So they're not the likelihood of them going straight to booking you um to learn about your services is very, very slim. Most of the time, they're here for your content. Now you have to provide them with value, maybe get them on your email list and then work them through who you are. You know, if you have a really good nurturing system in place, that's what's gonna matter um when you're getting people from Pinterest because you want to be able to take them through who you are, build their know, like, and trust um as soon as possible and not just try to sell them, especially depending on what you're selling. Like if you are a product seller and I'm searching for a product that's different, I'm probably about to buy this product or I'm gonna save it for later. I'm in a different mindset. But if you are like a coach or a digital product seller, you know, you have like a course or something like that, I'm not going to buy a $500 or $2,000 course a day after knowing you. Unless I go to like a webinar or something and that's different because now I've learned who you are, learned about your process, you've won me over, but straight from like a pin to your $2,000 course, it's not gonna probably happen. Okay. Slow. Like, so we have to think about like who are these people and they're new to us. How do we get these new people to convert and not just how do we just take cold traffic and then turn it into high? It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Okay. And so this makes me, and this is something I am actively working on myself, is really making it an ecosystem versus, and I think we can anybody can fall into this trap, like thinking Facebook ads is the secret sauce or being on Instagram reels. And really, like you just said, Pinterest is there on your team, it's a player, but it's not carrying the entire team if you don't have a nurture sequence, if you don't have the next step and newsletter to stay in touch or or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 19:46

So I call it my like it's a your whole entire, you know, your marketing system. Pinterest is just a part of it. It's really good for feeding your funnels and getting your um like your valuable um, what's the other word that people use? Um, authority building content in front of people, like that free content getting in front of people, or your low-ticket content getting in front of people is really what Pinterest is good for. But we have to understand this is a platform that people can um find you on, which is really good. But then we have other platforms like Instagram or maybe your Facebook group or even like a podcast where you better nurture people with different types of value or just getting for them to warm up to who you are, and then you can start converting them. But we have to look at it differently and we need these different pieces, which is why I wouldn't tell someone to just have one platform they market on because they can be used for different reasons. It's just knowing what what you're using each platform for.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

Okay, okay. Um, that's really helpful to think about. What would you say to somebody or to the people who have um maybe more, maybe like more not necessarily B2B, but like working with small businesses or teams, or maybe somebody who's not, you know, your typical person like shopping for like a cute mug on Pinterest or a recipe. Are, you know, kind of professionals, I don't know what the word I'm looking for, but is there an audience that if you've tailored or if you work with them, like you're like, let's not don't waste your time on Pinterest, or can it work for anybody? It's just a matter of tweaking your messaging.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Um, I wouldn't, I I like to say it can work for anybody, but it goes back to your content. If you don't have content, if you're not creating any type of content, then it probably can't work for you. Like I actually was dating this guy recently, and he was, you know, he was like, Oh, well, can it work for like pressure washing? And I was like, let me let me see what's on pressure washing on Pinterest. There is content about pressure washing, but the content is how to like pressure wash your house, how to like shop for a pressure washer. Like I was like, so if you were creating content around like teaching people how to pressure wash or any those things but then you also had a pressure washing business then you can like use Pinterest in that way because you're bringing in people who are you know maybe they're trying to figure out if they can do it for their theirselves and then they're realizing they can't but it also going to be like it's location dependent so there's there's different people that can use it just like um I have a photographer like so we're bringing in people who are coming in to look at her blog posts around weddings and things like that. But of course she's hoping that you know one or two of these people actually book calls with her because they're looking for actual photographer not just looking for inspiration. So you have to understand that you have to have content to actually draw them in. If you don't have any content then you either have to use it a different way like Pinterest ads. So like I've had people who come to me and they only have like a freebie or something like that or like a webinar and it's like well the only thing that's really going to work for you is probably ads because you only have like one piece of content because you don't want to just keep sending Pinterest traffic to the same thing over and over and over again because it's going to look spammy.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Okay. Okay great tip. Um you speaking of sending people one of the questions that I saw somebody had asked and I didn't look at the answer specifically so I could be surprised too um was should you ever send people to your website homepage?

SPEAKER_01 23:15

No okay because you're gonna be sending them to the same um link over and over one okay there's different reasons. If I see a pin that says like um we'll just stick with pressure washing I don't okay I don't have a house but five ways to pressure wash and then you send me to the home page I'm looking for five ways to pressure wash I so now we call Pinterest traffic very bouncy meaning that they're they're going to leave if it's not immediately catching their attention. So once you click over if I don't see what I came for the likelihood of me trying to find it on my own is not going to happen when I know I have a whole bunch of pin images that are in the search results that I can go back and click on to is I'm I'm just gonna go do it do that. You know so the same thing for podcasts I see podcaster um podcasters send them to like their main podcast page um with all the podcasts it's like nope okay if I came for a specific podcast and you send me there I'm not gonna it's not gonna work out for you. So you have to send them specifically to where they're going um catch their attention really quickly so they know that they're in the right place and not just try to you know get more people going to your home page because you're just gonna see a lot of bouncy traffic if you look at like your Google analytics is not going to be good.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

And you know I'm just thinking as a Pinterest user that has happened to me and it is so annoying.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

It's like it just yeah you leave a meeting you're not gonna and then maybe if you're if it's like something you really want you might try to search for it but then maybe it doesn't come up or something happens. It's just like okay no no I rather the only thing difference is like maybe something is not relevant anymore or like if it's like a something that's just like the the pages in there I would say do like a a 301 redirect so like a permanent redirect. And if you do do that try to redirect them to something that is very similar um or do like the nicer 404 pages that has like uh options like oh you was coming here for this maybe you know this this and this is what you're looking for something similar um but you want to try to send them directly to what they thought they were going to get from the pin that that they clicked on.

SPEAKER_00 25:29

Okay. I think I have two more questions. One is a question that I got about pivoting so what happens if you have a power washing business and then you move to like I don't know car detailing do you and maybe you change yeah what you just said was something that made me think like then your website potentially changes and then it's just going to the same so what would you do like just start a new account? Would you erase it? Like what's what should we do if we're pivoting?

SPEAKER_01 26:00

I would probably start a whole new account if it's especially something completely different um because Pinterest is learning who you are based on your pins, based on the people interacting with you, based on the content that you're pinning. So if you've been pinning all this power pressure watching things all this time and then suddenly you completely change to something else Pinterest is like wait a minute what are we doing here? Like I've been indexing you to be here and that's it's gonna be really hard now to get indexed into this newer thing. So it's best to just um create a whole new account if you are going to start a completely different business um and work with it that way.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Okay. Okay. And then um you had shared um oh this is what I was going to ask you actually I'll come back to that question late at the end. Would you be willing to talk just briefly you don't have to give us like the the detailed scoop but just how you like what platforms you're on and how you leverage Pinterest with the other with the others in your own ecosystem.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Yeah so obviously I'm on Pinterest um so Pinterest is how I get people to my blog posts. I don't ever talk about my blog posts on Instagram um it will have to be very rare for me to do that. I have it linked in my my Instagram bio but I don't talk about it. So my blog posts people who go to my blogs are usually going to be from Pinterest um and then from there they can join my email list. Same thing I I send them to like any of my free offers. And I know like most business owners we might be changing our free offers over time. So on Pinterest you can still find all my free offers but on Instagram or something like that I'm only going to talk about the current one the most relevant one right now. And then within my funnels I tell them to follow me on Instagram because that is where I like to hang out. That's where you can actually get to know me and my personality because you don't see that on Pinterest as much like yes I put like I repurpose my um reels and TikToks to Pinterest um strategically so not all things need to be repurposed um but to really get to know me I prefer people to follow me on Instagram. So my main platforms are Pinterest and Instagram and my email list.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Okay that was really helpful just to kind of see how you utilize those different things in different ways.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Yeah and Pinterest is really good if you like for me I like to take time back. So like I am not the person that's going to be on Instagram every single day all the time I like to bend shows on Netflix. I like to just rest and travel um so I like to be able to step back when I need to and know that people can still find content of um of mine if they are on Pinterest and searching for it. They can still be joining my email list in that way um without me having to show up every single day and talk about what it is that I am doing. I will still be able to get to the people who are one looking for Pinterest stuff already and right in that moment and two if I'm I always am emailing my list these people are already um warm to me so they're also interested in what I'm doing. Instagram is just like I like to be able to have that balance because we can get so caught up and always feeling like we have to be on Instagram and that can be very exhausting.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Yes I feel like people are probably nodding along yes I feel it I'm like I need to be like oh I wasn't on for a couple of days it's okay I'll be back.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

I got something else yeah working for me also well in addition to all this Pinterest expertise you also identify as an Enneagram type three wing too. So I would just love I always am so curious to hear like what resonates with you most about the three like how did you know that you were an Enneagram three I'm a perfectionist and I'm overachiever.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

I do everything I like um I have a hard time celebrating like I know like if I oh I finish this like my VA will have to be like you need to celebrate I'm like oh yeah like I did finish doing these 5000 emails for this funnel um but I'm always like ready to be on to the next thing so I've I've getting better in like making time to be like you need to like celebrate this little even if it's a small thing you know it's something that we it needs to be celebrated because I am just the person that want to be on to the next thing. So that's one of the things definitely I would say the achiever.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yeah yeah well and that's really interesting one of the common most common tendencies of that three energy is that that goal setting so anybody can set a goal right we get we're all capable of setting goals we all like to set goals um it's just very much a a piece of that type three energy to do exactly what you said like kind of goal setting is your love language and so you tend to always strive towards the goal meet the goal and then you're already like before you even meet the goal you're on to the next goal.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

So that's very does that resonate yeah yeah because when I was and I know you probably know like the threes and the sevens are usually like which one am I? So I was really torn but when I dig deeper into understanding threes I was like yeah that's that's the one I well and what's interesting about that Prush is that um the wing two so three wing two versus three wing four um they're known as like the professional sometimes they get mistyped as a one because they have some more um just tendencies of that but the three wing two is a lookalike sometimes for that stereotypical seven which is really interesting because they tend to be really um outgoing kind of vivacious competitive oh yeah very um I am I don't know do you know like about the um the the strengths the gallop strengths yes yes yeah so one of my top strengths is um um competition like so like I compete with myself to get things done but and I think I forgot what it's called it's like the integral like where you can be like the trifectors like that but I'm like a three seven eight or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Oh yes the tri-types yeah so it was a three seven eight I was like oh yeah I was looking at like head heart and gut oh that's what I'm like or body or whatever you want to say yeah I was like yeah this makes a lot of sense so definitely okay well I'd love to hear just whatever you're willing to share um it's and it's interesting because you might be it sounds like you are maybe have learned some lessons and like maybe in like a growth place um in stress threes tend to take on some of the nine stress qualities where they kind of like veg out zone out kind of disappear which is so interesting because they tend to be on so much but at some point you reach that like burnout where it's just like they dispere so that's how they handle that is that does anything in there resonate with you or how do you how do you experience stress? What does that look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 33:20

I think maybe because if I start like overthinking or stressing about something instead of like figuring out right then I'm just gonna go binge something on Netflix. I'm just going to go rest like it's like I I need to do this but I'm gonna go relax and figure it out like or go for a walk or something I like want to completely like just shut down for a second instead of like pushing through um so I think that could be something that resonates with that. So yeah it's like oh my God I'm overwhelmed I got all this stuff I'm gonna just not do anything.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

Yes and sometimes yes that's how that's what you need though you know especially for threes who also have a tendency to be a little bit of a workaholic um because and again we can all do this but threes the stereotypical three gets a lot of their self-worth from their accomplishments and their work and it's like without this job title without the salary without this what what am I um have how do you and I we're probably all here still kind of figuring that out but how do you balance or just kind of keep that workaholicism in check? Like what do you do for fun or do you have set working hours or just any anything that's helped you not always be working and if you are that's fine too just curious.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

No I've I've gotten much better at um I wouldn't say I I try to keep a schedule but then I I it only lasts for so long. Right right but I I don't have like set schedule working hours because I like to just take breaks when I need to and that might be in the morning it might be in the afternoon. I like to really I've learned to really listen to my body and my energy and give myself grace. So if it's like rather this I'm like oh I'd rather just you know relax for a little bit and then do some work at six o'clock that's fine for me. And um like I mentioned earlier I don't have any kids so I don't have anything to be like I have to have the set schedule. So that works for me. But I've learned to just like I mentioned just give yourself grace. It's hard sometimes because there's always that like you got this to do you got this to do and you need to be doing this and to do this to move forward and all this stuff or I have all these goals and it's already like almost quarter three in my mind and I'm like what if those quarter two goes again and so I have to remember like a lot of times when we set these goals brushes like you do too much and you can't do all that stuff in three months so I have to just keep reminding myself like it's still gonna get done as long as you move a little bit every day it's better than nothing. And then sometimes if nothing happens that's okay too like it's life like yeah it's life.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Yeah. Would you be willing to share any big goals that you're working on it can be like just big general or anything big this year.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Yeah so I have my um my program called the Pinterest Betty Academy Course experience. So it is a I call it course experience because it is a DIY course but it is an experience everything I do is an experience to me. And it's because there is a coaching part of it as well. So there's monthly coaching boxer days I mean things like that. So you're not just you know getting a DIY DIY course and being like have fun with Pinterest even though it changes all the time I want to make sure they have that support. So for that I opened it up this year. It's my first course I'm really excited about it or program I like to say and my goal is 111 um members by the end of the year. So that is what I'm gonna be working towards um I just finished like the entire funnel for it. And so I'm excited. And you said when does that open? So I opened it in February for the first round. You opened it okay. Yeah so I haven't been um marketing as much because I've been getting feedback from the members that are in it currently and as soon as I'm in it currently and then I thought the the the funnel was going to take like a month. It's been taking longer than that.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Imagine that how that's how I think so many can relate to that.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Yeah so now that I have the funnel um completely done now I'll be really like getting people into um the funnel and things like that to see how it's really converting and you know any tweaks that I have to make. So that's been like the big goal for this year is getting that done. So that obviously I have another goal. So that another goal I can start working on my Pinterest ads um course or mini course or something that I want to do with Pinterest ads because Pinterest ads is really growing now and there's not a lot of content out there and programs out there for people to learn. So I do want to create something this year.

SPEAKER_00 38:09

Okay. Oh I love that I love both of those and then the like 111 goal at the end. That's so good. Okay two more Enneagram questions and share what you what you want um sometimes the three is also called the performer and it's because like they are they can be the ultimate kind of politician stereotypical politician like read a room who do I need to be let me turn that on and then I'll go into this other room and then I'll be that person or you know my book club with my boyfriend with my kids at work with the client you know you can kind of really shape shift incredibly easily um you know we see you on reels or Instagram if we're all we're listening to you here on on this podcast is there anything is there a side of you that would surprise people I mean I'm a homebody.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

I mean I don't know that surprises people but when I'm on I'm on but then I'm like okay I'm going back into my corner watching my Netflix and my friends are always trying to get me out I mean I don't have many friends here in Atlanta but my friends they who know who I am they're like have you gone anywhere lately I'm like I thought about it like even like there's a cafe down the block from my house that I like to go to and I always tell myself I'm gonna go once a week just to get the house and then the day comes and I'm like I'll just I'll just stay home so so I really enjoy being home. I love my house um but I do know that it's sometimes good to get out even though I can be um my my personality is an E and F P so I am technically an extrovert but we are the most like introverted extroverts because we need to recharge so if I spend like the weekend like this weekend with the um the speaking engagement I'll be around people I know that I'm gonna be like okay back in my little hole even though I have to I'm going to Miami the following weekend and I'm like already like oh my God exhausting. But yeah that's what it is I would say um that would be something and I love how you said that because another one of my top strengths is adaptability. So it makes sense that I would fall into three for real.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Well and you know what like that's what I think is so cool about the Enneagram and just uncovering your personality it's like this isn't the like end all be all only useful tool.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

It's like you have strength binders you have you have the Myers Briggs I mean like sometimes I get woo and like I get really into human design and so I haven't gotten into that one that's the only problem but I love seeing how they connect because you do see like I never noticed like I keep my my strengths on my desk because I like to remember them. But like when you see those things you're like yeah they are really everything kind of comes together to who you are. I'm a really I'm oh I'm into like birth charts and things like that as well.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

So learning all those things you're like yep these are just different ways for people to keep telling me who I am just yeah it's like it feels validating it feels good to feel seen and then also like oh this is what I do. And then sometimes it's like oh my gosh I didn't even know that this was like a thing. And then it puts like language so that you can like explain it to somebody else. So I love yeah very helpful. The last question I had for you was um kind of about how you help your clients just kind of how you personally would describe this. So as a three they're really striving at the end of the day the core driver is striving to feel outstanding. And when a three is really it like in a place of growth and development they then also help others feel and be outstanding. What would you say is your way of helping your own clients be or feel outstanding oh my God I love that question.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

I don't know I think it's just I'm typically always that encouraging person. Like I really like to celebrate others apparently so I'm always excited for their successes and what they're doing and how they're doing and how they're showing up to really help them even be better on Pinterest or just within their business. So I think in that way I'm always encouraging and pushing them to see how they can even make more space in their business by leveraging Pinterest and how we can get better at this together by still encouraging them and supporting them. As we wrap up a couple of rapid fire questions before we do that just tell us a little bit more just really quickly about that three P's to Pinterest success training like how can we join in on that for anybody who's interested yeah so if you are looking to learn how you can turn your content into cash and learn how to draw more people and profit to your business with Pinterest um you can find the training at Prush Rogers so P-R-E-S-H R-O-D-G-R-S forward slash three P F. I hope that's right but you'll have the link yeah we'll have the link um and that will take you to the training so you'll walk away with um nine proving tactics and strategies three actionable steps and of course the three piece to pinch your success okay I'm gonna have to sign up for that myself because now I'm just extra I'm even more curious.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

So you had mentioned that you were vegging out with or just kind of recharging with Netflix. What are you watching right now just out of curiosity?

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Oh my God I'm not I'm actually not binging anything because I'm holding off on binging the circle um I'm a little saucy because I actually applied for the circle and they didn't call me back. So no but I like to I I like to wait I haven't I know they do weekly So I don't I haven't checked how far along they are to how many episodes they released so far. So I want to binge that. Um, but I just watched this cute little movie last night called Along for the Ride. Um, it's like a young adult. She's like just they just graduated um summer with her dad and you know, falls in love. It was cute.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

Feel good. Oh, I love it. I love it. What is a tool, a business tool, productivity, client management, whatever you're using in your business that you would recommend that's just really like saving your life? Airtable. Okay, you are like the third person in the last two weeks that is just like you gotta be on air table.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Airtable is my love language. Okay, I do everything in Airtable. Um, but yeah, Airtable, I just love how it's so much easier than Excel for me. Um, it's cleaner, it's prettier, and yeah, it's just because it's like a mix of a database and a spreadsheet together. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

All right. This is my sign from above. I need to get organized with Airtable. And then what is a book that has helped you in your own business journey, or it could be a Pinterest specific book, life development, personal development book, any book that you would recommend?

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Um, probably I'm like looking at my bookshelf. Probably you're a badass. I know everybody recommends that book. Um, but that is the one that I I always remember. Um, because it was really a good book. Um and then I want to read We Shall Be Millionaires. And I also want to read um, I can't think of the book. It's like I can't think of the book. It's um it's it's actually on my list of reading things right now, but I can't think of it. A four hour is it a four-hour orac week? Oh, with Tim Ferris. No, it's with Gary somebody.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

Oh, is it Gay Gary Vaynerchuck? No, do you remember the book?

SPEAKER_01 45:56

Can't we edit this out really quickly?

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Yeah, or we'll just we are always like everybody has a long book list, and and and and like half the time it's like, oh, I wrote something down and I can't remember what it was. Oh, the big leap.

SPEAKER_01 46:10

Okay, gay. It's sorry, it's gay Hendrix.

SPEAKER_00 46:13

Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

I've heard about that um from a few people, and it's been um it's in my library book list right now, and I'm like, I need to read it, I need to read it. People say it like really changed their way of thinking um after they read it. So and it's pretty short. I have the audio version, and it's like five hours.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Okay, good to know, good to know. Okay, Degley. I that's like one, like I think I read, but like it felt like it was like a good book, but I really need to go back and read it.

SPEAKER_01 46:41

I haven't been reading too many because there are so many of them, and then you're like, okay, I like to these days I'm more of a fictional reader. Um, because I also write fictional books. See, I do everything because I'm an inner gram three. Um, so I like to keep reading most of the time for fun and relaxation as well.

SPEAKER_00 47:00

Okay, okay. Um, that is a goal of mine.

SPEAKER_01 47:03

It's more fiction, less like like we we get into that that place of like always wanting to be growing in our businesses and things like that. And I was there at one point, always you know, it was more of those type of books, but then I'm like, also I want to enjoy life still. So I used to love reading growing up, and I want to do more of that, and especially like I'll if I do do like a book that I'm gonna be using for like growth or business growth, it's gonna be like I'll read it during the day or maybe listen while I'm working, and then in the evening or night is for more relaxing, fun things.

SPEAKER_00 47:36

I love that. Yeah, like we need to turn our brains off sometimes and just relax. Um, and that's actually that leads me to my last question, actually, as it kind of flows into um, you know, over on Instagram, probably on Pinterest, all these places they talk about living your best life, being your best self. What does living your best life look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 48:00

I want to say well, I'm living it right now. Um, it's just a life that allows me to work when I want to work, um, to give myself grace, to listen to my body and my energy, and to travel a lot and have fun.

SPEAKER_00 48:16

Love that. So well said. Well, Prash, I appreciate you taking the time to be here today and for all that you shared, like very jam-packed with very tangible nuggets. So we will absolutely put your Pinterest link, Instagram link, and then the training um in the show notes. So definitely check those out. Um, anything else that you would like to say before we uh call this episode complete?

SPEAKER_01 48:42

Get on Pinterest now because it is, we didn't mention this, but Pinterest is a long game. It's a slow burn, so it's going to take time because it is a search engine, so it's not something that's going to work overnight. It's going to work for you for a long time to come, but you need to start doing it now and putting in that time now so that six months from now you can say, okay, I'm starting to see that return on investment by actually being consistent on Pinterest starting now.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Okay, I think that might have been the pep talk I needed to. So perfect.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Don't wait. People love to wait, and it's like, okay, I wanna, I wanna get, you know, 50 emails on my email list by next week. I'm gonna start pinning today.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

It's not gonna work. Slow burn. I like how you said that.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Yeah, slow burn. I believe I got it from Kate all. So she's really um, she's uh I call her a Pinterest. Um, I I consider her like a Pinterest mentor because she was in this Pinterest game way before me. Um, but I believe that's where I got it from. Okay, well, that's um, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Either whoever said it, I like that. That's a good visual, and that is so true. Um, the long game. So thank you so much, Presh. We will absolutely see you around social media, Pinterest. We'll check you out. Um, and I appreciate for being here.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Thank you for having me.