SPEAKER_02 0:02

You're listening to the Enneagram MVA podcast to show the understanding people at work, including yourself, usually talking about the Enneagram, sometimes talking about other resources and methods, but always bringing value and having fun along the way. I'm your host, Sarah Wallace, certified Enneagram coach, speaker, and workshop facilitator. And I cannot wait to see you inside. Welcome back to another episode here on the Enneagram MBA podcast. We have been doing a personality assessment series where we're learning about all different types of tools and frameworks to help us actually become more self-aware. I've talked before that the author, Tasha Yurik, I love her definition of self-awareness. She says you have to have the will and also the skill. So we've been learning about the skills. But in this episode, in this conversation, I'm really excited to introduce to you Heidi Dexter, who is going to be a self-awareness personality assessment in real life expert. So Heidi, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Oh my gosh. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

I am so excited too. This is, these are on, I absolutely love learning from guest experts. And I also really love these conversations where people are sharing their real life experience, like outside of a textbook, outside of theory about what actually is true for them. So this will be a good conversation for the two of us. Like we were saying selfishly, we'll get to reconnect. And then also listeners.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Perfect. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:43

So just to kind of get a sense of who Heidi is, where you're coming to us from, would you share a little bit about um what you do for work, maybe what you do for fun, and then what your Enneagram type is.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Yes. Okay. So um, well, I reside in Michigan. I work at an amazing medical spa, Beauty Culture, which is how I had the pleasure of meeting you. Um I let's see, for fun, I um like to read a lot of books. I like to go on a lot of walks. I love nature. Um, we're blessed to have the Great Lakes here. So I love being able to take that beauty in and enjoy sunrises here. It's just just beautiful. Um at work though, I am a patient care coordinator, so receptionist, um, I guess uh director of first and first and lasting impressions, um, and trying to make all the patient touch points um go seamlessly and be memorable.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Oh, I love that. And you are the perfect person to be doing that. Um, and I will just say, um, Heidi and I did get to meet um just in Detroit a few weeks ago for a workshop that I got to do for her team. Um, and it was so crazy because I there was a target in your your office and I kind of got turned around. And I I think I mentioned this to you. And all of a sudden, like I'm driving by this like ginormous, gorgeous lake, like behind a target, and it just doesn't happen around here in like flat cornfield, Indiana. So that was like, oh, this is gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

We're very lucky. I think you're never more than five miles from a lake, even an inland lake.

SPEAKER_02 3:35

Yes. Uh, it was so pretty. So I totally get the the wanting to get outdoors in it. Um, okay, so we're going to uh you are, I would consider you a uh a personality assessment expert. So you have taken several different assessments, and I'm really excited to learn from you and then also to hear, just because we've had some expert certified professionals on um kind of your take about how you apply it in the real world. Um, but before we do that, I'm always just curious, again, self for selfish reasons, but it also is the any agreement MBA show. Um, the type seven, what about that type specifically resonates with you? Like what made you realize, okay, yep, I'm this, this is me.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

Oh, I was actually shocked when I took it because I didn't expect it to be that accurate. And I knew I would get something out of it, but it was has been just so enlightening to find out more about not only myself, but everyone I work with, my family members and the type seven, I mean absolutely freedom. Number one. I just there's just no question. It completely resonates with me being a free spirit. I don't want to be tied down, I don't want to have to do the same thing all the time. Um, that just an excitement, future-oriented, thinking about things. I can't wait to do new projects, like let's get them all rolling. We're not done with one, let's start the next one.

unknown 5:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

So I guess that would be the main.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Um, well, and I noticed, like, obviously, I don't work with you on a day-to-day basis, but I noticed like even in our process planning the workshop, you were like constantly keeping the ball going. You're like, yes, let's do it. We're we're in, okay. You got the food order, like you just made everything happen. Um, and I'd be curious because sometimes people ask the question, you know, what's the best role for my personality? And you had mentioned freedom and saying, you know, those of us who work in an office, you know, that might not feel like we're a travel blogger, right? That's always like the stereotypical when you hear about a type seven. It's like, oh, they have a photographer for National Geographic, of a travel blogger. Um, but obviously, like not all of us can can be there, but we still, like you were saying, um, have that desire for freedom. So how do you find that in the role that you're in now?

SPEAKER_01 6:08

Well, I'm blessed to be at a place that is always initiating new projects and starting new things. The second we're done with one, we're always just on the cutting edge and you know, looking to be the best for our patients, um, what's new in the market, uh, you know, what we can bring to them to enhance themselves so that they feel good about themselves and where they're at. And so um, to me, I feel like I actually have a lot of freedom because I'm able to talk to a lot of different people who also have a lot of different types and needs and wants. And it's funny because once you start to get to talk to people a little bit and get to know them, you realize, you know, here's how I can bring this to them. Or, you know, at least I attempt to do that. Um, here's how I can bring an amazing experience to them.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Yes. And that is like that's one of the foundational things for those those of us who identify as a type seven is that experience. We want all kinds of different experiences. We want to give people great experiences. The other thing that, and that's really interesting because I definitely saw that as like with the with your team and just you're getting people excited about the experience of a workshop, for example. And um, it's interesting. I'm I'm just curious, and I'm kind of gonna I'm I'm I'm putting you on the spot. So don't feel pressured to answer. I know it's hard for us to sometimes talk, think of the good things about ourselves, um, and then to to say them out loud. But so I'm putting you on the spot. I know I am. Um interestingly enough, when we were at your specific team workshop, you were really the only seven on the entire team, which was interesting. Um, what do you see as your gift that you bring to your team? Or if you want to be more general about it, a any seven could bring to a team.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

I think sevens in general, and I get I would put myself in this category, obviously, as well, is just striving for that fulfillment. And so I guess the flip side of that is you could say you have FOMO sometimes, um, which I actually don't really have that often, but um striving always to make things better. Um, and so I love being able to bring that to the workplace, bring that to the people that I encounter on a daily basis, my teammates, patients, my boss, my coworkers, all of it. Um, and I think any seven can do that in an amazing way and just really um show their care for people in the way that they get them excited. They want to make sure everything's the best for them. Um, you know, that all their experiences are positive from beginning to end.

SPEAKER_02 9:08

And again, yeah, you kind of touched on another one of the strengths of a seven is bringing kind of that vision and new ideas and then you know, helping make them happen. So um I love that. I'm curious, do you, and if you don't, that's okay, but do you have you identified more with one wing than the other, the six or the eight?

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Um the eight.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Yeah for sure. Yeah. And what makes you say that?

SPEAKER_01 9:37

I guess I have a small circle. I keep, you know, a tight-knit group. Um, my family, of course, is in that. Um, I'm direct usually when I speak to someone. Sometimes that's good, sometimes it's not. I'm loyal, I'm passionate. Um, but yeah, I want to protect what I have. I want to protect the people that I care about, the place that I work, my teammates, all of that, and um look out for them.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Yeah. And one of the things that had me laughing um during the workshop was when your daughter was saying that you do this thing with your hand. And I know as a listener, you can't hear it, but it's like you kind of like like, let's come on, like speed it up. Like when she's telling a story, you're like, get to the point. Because so you have like that seven and eight, like very future focused energy. So I can see it.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Yes, detail, a lot, a lot of details just is completely overwhelming for me. It just honestly makes my eyes roll back in my head. And it's not that I don't care, I'm interested, but just give me some bullet points and bottom line it and let's talk about it from there.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

Yeah, yeah. Well, and that kind of brings me to the next question I had on the Enneagram before we jump into some of these others, is um, the way that I I talk about it and teach it a lot is in the workplace. But I also know that it can be so beneficial and insightful at home or with your friends, family, kids, parents. And um, I'm just curious, like what insights or ahas you have had um with maybe other relationships outside of work that the Enneagram has given you insight about or been able to explain, like the like like the your daughter, like let's get going kind of thing she knows.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

For sure. Um, yeah, well, honestly, that was like that was really a moment for both of us. And she has shared that with me as well. And you know, we're blessed to be able to work together. I know maybe a lot of people couldn't do that, have a a work relationship and a home relationship, but um it works for us, and I just feel like we have come to such a better understanding of each other um after taking the Enneagram. And, you know, even I've taken a lot of other tests, she's taken up, you know, at least the Colby. And I got an idea of that for her, but I never understood like her need for um security as much and her need to emote. And um, that was just really an aha moment for us. And she has said the same, you know, she's she understands me a lot better and is a lot patient more patient with me as well.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

Yeah, yeah. Just understanding where someone's coming from um can be so helpful. Now I know that the Enneagram is on a list of some other ways that you have studied yourself, learned more about yourself. Would you be willing to share some of your favorite personality assessments or tools to help you do that outside of the Enneagram?

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Sure. Uh so sometimes I feel like I need a placard. Like here's um, here's my Enneagram chart, here's my coli graph, like here, here, here they all are, you know, this is who I am. This will give you a better idea than anything else, basically. Um, so I have I just really enjoy them. And so when I get um a reference from someone I trust, you know, this is something you should try, take it, or I hear of another one. Um, I have done uh Clifton Strengths, which actually was my most recent one of doing. So it's the one I've actually examined the least as far as results go. Um Colby, uh Disc, Young Personality, um, uh the YOS. Uh those would be the ones off the top of my head, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 13:26

Yeah. Um, out of curiosity, because I know just from from talking to you before this, um, the Kolby was one of your first ones, and it had a really big impact on you. Like, what what were some of those insights um that you had with with that specific assessment or just like starting to, I think this one was the one that kicked off your journey, is what you were saying. So what what about that? Were you like, oh my gosh, like how did that feel? Like what was what was going through your mind? What were the results of learning more about that?

SPEAKER_01 13:59

So it was in 2014, and I was actually taking a class uh completely, well, you would think completely unrelated to something like a personality test, but it turned out um to be really transformative in my life and really an aha moment because that's where I learned about the Colby. That's where I saw Colby in action in the way the instructor related to his students. And um, you know, he kind of called out what he thought I was. And then basically I went home that night, took the test and came back. I'm like, yes, I'm a 5285. So quick start all the way. Um, you know, low on follow-through, first off the line. Um, and basically it allowed me to change my attitude about uh, you know, things that I had experienced in the past, um, maybe toward my perceived defects of you know, starting a lot of things, always being excited, um, experiencing a lot of jobs. Um uh, you know, my daughter sometimes jokes, you have are living your liberal arts degree to the nth degree. Like you've taken it to the max on that. Um, and so all along I had thought, you know, geez, these are like, why, you know, why am I not like in a corporation? Um why do I not have some title? Like if I only had more follow-through. And so they were always kind of viewed as a defect to me in the back of my mind. But in reality, it was actually my strength, and all I had to do was embrace it. And so, um, and how boring would my life be right now if I were still doing what I was doing 20 years ago? You know, that would be like the worst thing that could possibly happen for me. So it was a real game changer. It got me really excited about learning more about assessments, you know, a self-awareness, um, bringing that to my family, to my jobs, and then on from there.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

I think that um so many other people, whether you're a seven or just, you know, identify with some of that energy, will love what you just said because um that is something that, you know, especially like with the different jobs, like that's so me too. And when you can kind of look back, it's like that Steve Jobs quote kind of like look back and kind of see how the dots have connected, but you can't really see it, you know, going forward. And going forward, it feels like, oh my gosh, why what's wrong with me? I should be able to just stick with one thing or I should be interested in this thing. And then when you start to understand, it's like, well, no, it's like my personality and my energy is different than that, and that's okay. And then just being aware of it and then using it to pull you or push you in the direction um that will continue to light you up and you know, energize you regardless of how many jobs we have, right? There's like stories that we tell ourselves about what what success looks like. And for so many of us, it's just not at all that definition. So um I love that you had, I love that you shared that. That's such a great example. The quick start is definitely very seven. We had talked about that with Elizabeth Cook on our our Colby interview, and I was like, oh my gosh, yes, I feel that. And it's almost it almost feels a great podcast. It was she was great, she was so great. And then, like, what did that help you? Did did you have any aha's about kind of the flip side of that? Like the I don't know what the opposite of quick start is. I don't want to say slow start, but maybe more thoughtfulness, time, needing like more details. Um, how just understanding another perspective? Like what has that done for your life or your work environment?

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Yes. Um, so I work, uh home. I mean, it has really been enlightening. And you just start to see, like, okay, so this person needs more time to process this. And um well, I'm ready to go right now. We've talked about it for 30 seconds. Let's just do it. Um, you know, let's brainstorm, get going, and then we'll figure out next steps. Other people need time to gather facts. And um, you my husband jokes sometimes, you should be grateful for people like me because otherwise airplanes would be falling out of the sky because he's heavy fact finder, heavy follow-through. And sometimes I'm like, can we please just make a decision? You know what I mean? Let's like, let's just do it. And he just needs more time. I usually 24 to 48 hours. And sometimes it drives me crazy, but you know, now I I understand it at least.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

Yeah. Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Same with people, you know, people you work with, and just everybody is different. You can actually even tell when patients call and you listen to the questions they're asking. Some people you'll spend 10-15 minutes with them on the phone. They need a lot of a lot of data to process, and then they're gonna think about it and call me back. Other people are like, I heard about it, I want it, let's fuck it. So you, you know, you can it just comes out on people.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

Yeah, I'm glad she brought that example up too, because you don't even have to know somebody's Enneagram type or Colby numbers. It's just understanding like their pace, their tone, their questions, their timing. And so um it's such a great tool, too, for for sales customer service to know that not everybody is your style. And then especially in those kind of client, customer-facing roles, like this becomes even more important that that it's not just your style, it's kind of navigating that and understanding others' awareness and and styles too. I'm curious, what would you because and this is something that I just looked into and right before we jumped on, Heidi, I was actually looking up YOS certified professionals because I was like, that might be a fun conversation. I'll have to learn more about it. Would you be willing to share what what is that? What does that tell you? Um, just your experience with that assessment, because that's one that I don't know that many of us maybe have experience with.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Right. I um I actually heard about that through a podcast, which I'm this a huge podcast junkie. Um, and I decided to take the assessment and um I got it back and it came back as mastery, which is like only like I think less than 5% of the population. The thing I agree with on that assessment that flows with my Enneagram 7, the Colby quick start, would be insatiable um thirst for knowledge. And I always want to be learning. And I know you had mentioned in a previous uh podcaster about you having books everywhere so you can just pick them up and read and listening to podcasts. Well, you do your make, you know, do your makeup, making coffee, whatever, I'm the same way. And so I definitely agreed with that. And so basically there are just different types, and as you get into it, it tells you, you know, how you take action, what is the challenge to you? So it's all complementary. Um, I think each test just fleshes out different things. Um, the thing I guess I disagreed with in YOS was that it said I would typically want a lot of data, and that's not true. So, you know, like any test, you're a little bit of everything.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

So I think regardless, um, and this is what I tell people too, because there's lots of skeptics about the Enneagram, and sometimes people take it and it doesn't resonate, and that's okay. Um, I think even you know, it's something not resonating is actually really helpful because you've you've paused and you've thought, like, oh, I hadn't thought about this before. A minute to like reflect on maybe a new question you hadn't asked. So I love it all. Um, what's the young personality assessment?

SPEAKER_01 22:09

So um I don't honestly remember where I even heard about that one, but um basically it gives you um four types that you're operating within, and so uh I happen to be an extrovert, so probably not surprising, and that means enthusiastic. Um, there's intuitive, feeler, judger, all different types, but usually have a four um four categories that it boils down to for yourself, and so that's super interesting because you know everyone is a different combination. Uh I guess my new habits would be to just embracing um what I want to do. So if I don't want to finish the book, I don't. Um sometimes in the back of my mind I feel a little bit guilty about that one, but um, because I want the information, but um allowing myself the latitude to do do what feels right for me as far as how I'm doing things, when I do them, um on the timeline in which I do them. So just giving myself a little latitude um in my approach.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Yeah. Um, the second one we kind of already touched on, but if you have another example or want to add to it, I would love to hear it. Says, you know, these type of things really help with your communication. And that is absolutely like I I totally agree with that. Um, anything else you would add with your experience around communication?

SPEAKER_01 23:41

I well, of course I agree with that. And I think anytime you can be self-reflective and it just it ends up instead of focusing on the self, it ends up focusing on the other. And so, really, who am I if I am not in communication with the other? You know, whoever, whomever that is throughout my day, if I can try to understand other people better, and I think the starting place for that is understanding yourself. And so I think anytime you've been through whatever has brought you to where you are in life, that gives you more compassion for other people. Um, you know, want to share your story with them, want to make their day better.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

So, so well said, Heidi. Um, the third benefit, it's talking about that you can find new life goals. Um, says, you know, sometimes it's easy to kind of get set in our ways. And maybe this is kind of like that permission of like kind of releasing the shoulds, but anything around like maybe it's the career goals you thought you should have, like being in corporate, to now just allowing yourself the flexibility and and the the um variety. So anything coming up with for you personally, how you've allowed or how self-awareness has helped you define new life goals.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

You know, it's really just helped me uh allowing me to the have the permission to be myself. And so that's how I show up, try to show up for the world now. I'm not perfect, I still get it wrong a lot, um, but I am trying. Um, I'm in the arena, you know. Um, so I mean, I'm just trying, I'm showing up, I'm giving myself permission to be who I am, and that is the best that I can possibly be. Um, when I went to college, I went to a Dominican college prevention, and uh the Dominicans will always say, you know, um two things. Number one, truth can can never contradict God because he's the source of all truth. But then also that wherever you are in your life, that's where you're called to share. You know what I mean? It you don't have to be in religious life to touch people, you don't have to be in corporate to make money, you don't have to be one way or the other. You know, your calling is to be yourself 100% and bring that to other people and to share that with them because what else could you possibly have better than that?

SPEAKER_02 26:24

I love how you put that one too. Um we have talked about this fourth one. I want to say it just so we have the full complete list, but I'm gonna I'm gonna put a little twist on it and ask you an Enneagram-specific question with this one. So um, the fourth benefit that this article talks about is that you might develop a better understanding of others. So obviously, we have talked a lot about that from your family, workplace, customers, clients on the phone, um, to thinking about understanding you better, others understanding you, or even just kind of this type seven energy. Is there anything that you've come across, like a Enneagram seven stereotype that you feel like people get wrong, or that maybe doesn't resonate with you? Like one that I I've heard other seven say is like, I'm not always happy, like I'm actually really sad sometimes, or I'm really mad, or you know, anything like that about that that stereotypical seven energy that you think people kind of miss the boat on or over-stereotype us about.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

That's a good one. I I would say that's true. And um along the lines of you know, self-awareness and self-understanding and being able to appreciate that in yourself is again with these perceived defects, it's like I've always wondered how is it possible that I can toggle between you know being excited and loving everything in the world and like isn't this you know majesty amazing? To wow, this is really depressing. And like, you know, how how am I gonna get myself out of this funk? And um again, I guess I've always kind of perceived that as a defect and wondered why this is happening, but I'm honestly quite thrilled to find out that there's other people out there and I'm not alone, at least in this endeavor, and and that is actually pretty normal.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Yeah, yeah, you know, it it is. And um, one of the things that I really appreciate about the Enneagram, and I know, you know, there's all kinds of things we can get from other assessments, but the Enneagram, one of the things is like really focused on that core motive. And I think when you really understand where someone is coming from, it does bring so much more empathy and understanding about like why, why they're after happiness or like why they feel like they need to be strong and powerful. And then you can have like, well, actually, I don't always feel strong and powerful, or actually I'm not always happy, but like I want to be. And then um just kind of yeah, understanding that about yourself and that that's okay. Um, and then just understanding, you know, about about others too. Um, and where like what they're striving for, and you know, three is always wanting to be successful, but maybe they don't always feel successful, or maybe they're, you know, whatever, whatever that is. And so um, the deeper that you can really understand um, you know, where someone is coming from, regardless of the of a number, letters or whatever, um, can be really helpful too. The fifth one is uh talks about you may learn to practice self-acceptance. And I know that you have mentioned this a couple of times, just about letting go of the shoulds. Anything else you would add to that one?

SPEAKER_01 29:48

Um, yeah, just being your authentic self. I I mean it's the best thing you can be. And once you realize that you have permission to do that, it's it really is free. And so as a seven, I love that. Freedom.

SPEAKER_02 30:03

Freedom. Um and then the last one, the last benefit that this article talks about is that you can discover like-minded people thanks to the internet, personality testing testing opens up a whole new world of virtual friendships and connections. Um, I see this a lot on Instagram with like the the different Enneagram meme communities. Um, anything else, anything that you would add to this benefit?

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Um, well, I would actually be almost more interested in making connections with people who aren't like me. Um in finding more out about them, you know, how they think, um what's really behind their actions. Um, so I guess I would I while I love a good meme, um, I would be more curious to find out uh, you know, maybe how a five might feel or how a how a three really feels about something. And it would be enlightening.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

Yeah, I that's such a good one. Um it is, it does feel very good to be validated and like realize, oh my gosh, I'm not crazy, I'm not the only one. Um, but you're right in that, you know, understanding other people and and uh taking in some of those qualities or or just appreciating all the different flavors, ways of doing things, taking action, processing things. Um, because like you're saying, there's no one right way. Are there any other benefits that are coming to mind for you that we haven't talked about that this list might have left off?

SPEAKER_01 31:46

Well, I mean, I want everyone in the world to be taking all of these tests because I think they're just so beneficial. And I think if we stop just paused for a moment um to you know, to really gather our thoughts on what is really motivating, not only motivating me, but what's motivating other people, that we would have uh, you know, a better world. I mean, I feel like that sounds really cheesy, actually, but I really believe it. And if if people just gave you a moment, you know, and gave you the benefit of the doubt, then I think it would be just an amazing place, you know. I wouldn't it be great to be able to chat about this with everybody in that.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Yeah, I I agree, Heidi. I think the world would be a better place, and it absolutely sounds cheesy, but it is the truth, right? Like even if you don't agree on political issues, religious issues, like all, you know, there's all kinds of decisive conversations. Um, but to say, you know, I don't agree, but I I can understand like what a more productive, like compassionate conversation. Um, and you might, yeah, learn learn something. As we start to kind of wrap this up, this has been this has been fun just to kind of hear um what it's yeah, what how does somebody actually use this in real life? Um, I'm curious. I know you mentioned that you have a couple of favorite books and also podcasts. So that's gonna be my second question. But is there a book, whether it's a favorite, all-time favorite personal development, personal growth book, or something new that you're reading that you think these our listeners would um be interested in learning about?

SPEAKER_01 33:36

I have like a stack of seven books on my shelf right now. So I'm reading all of them actively, and then also several audibles. Um, but I I would say the one that has probably, well, I don't know if I can narrow it down to one, two that have made um as far as maybe work goes, I would say really personal life too, the gap in the game by Dan Sullivan. Um, I'm a lover of all things, Dan Sullivan. Um, and that will segue into his podcast as well. Um, but he is just incredible, inspiring. And the gap in the gain actually just really helped me put everything into perspective about, you know, how you're setting goals and how you measure, you know, where you've come from. And it sounds it's a simple idea, but it's pretty profound. It's really been a game changer. I gave it to all my family members for Christmas. Um, and then the other one would be Darren Greatly by Brene Brown. It's been so moving. I mean, for me personally, uh just in understanding people, understanding myself. It's just been, I actually had to like put it down for a little bit and stop reading it because you know, it was too much to feel, to feel. So I had to just pause for a little bit, take a week off, and then go back to it. And um, yeah, it's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

Okay, I'm I'm glad you brought this up because I actually want to ask you a question about that. If you if you're willing to answer, if not, that's okay. Um, but some of this self-aware, I actually just posted something today about, you know, we talk about self-awareness and it's growth and it's like, oh, rainbows and unicorns, and I'm learning about myself, and this is so fun and it's so funny, but a lot of it can also at the same time be kind of cringy and painful um and bring up a lot of emotions, like you were saying. So, what how would you recommend what were what would be your recommendation to somebody who like where do we need to be like in a in a mindset to be willing to like take in all of that? Or how have you been able to take in some of the the cringy things? Um, how have you dealt with that?

SPEAKER_01 36:00

I'm not sure I have entirely dealt with it, to be honest with you. Um, I'm working on it. Um, it's a work in progress. Um, I I was joking the other day. I'm like, I probably just need to take a week off and cry to work through all my stuff and then I'll be good. But I don't really want to do that. Um, so it's just hard, you know. I I guess in one bite at a time.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

And then yeah, that's so good. It that's so real. Because, you know, you think like, oh, okay, I I learned about I got my Colby and I did the assessment. I worked with a coach or Enneagram or whatever. It's like, okay, got it, check. But it is, it's like a forever process of uncovering. Like I'm still uncovering tons of stuff about myself, especially with the Enneagram, obviously. Um, you know, years into it. So um I love that.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

So many good things to get into. I mean, I've only just uh obviously scratched the surface with that. So I can't wait to delve more into it.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

Well, yeah, it is it is. It's just yeah, it's just really, really interesting. Um and yeah, like you said, sometimes hard, but like that's really like where that the the big growth happens sometimes, but we're all working through it. So I appreciate that. One bite at a time. That's a good reminder for us all. Okay, let's talk about the podcast. So I this um you had mentioned that Dan Sullivan has a podcast you love. Tell us about that and any other ones you would recommend.

SPEAKER_01 37:32

He has many. I don't know how he does everything he does, to be honest with you. He's got so many podcasts, but the way I found him was actually liking the Colby, looking for more. I wanted more Colby stuff, like I wanted podcasts, searching for it. And Kathy Colby, I think interviewed him, which is how I found him. And then I'm searching for him because I liked him so much, and then found out he does all these podcasts. But the first one I really loved is called 10x Talk. And it's actually really geared toward business, but it's not, it's it's a life lesson. You don't need you know, you don't need to be a CEO of anything to be listening to this podcast and getting immense value. It's it's just remarkable. And in particular, one of one of the podcasts I recall that really touched me is called The Four Freedoms, and that really talks about you know all the freedoms in your life. And so it's time, money, relationship, and purpose. How those interplay with each other, um, how you get more of that. I mean, obviously, time is the most important thing you have. You can't, it's the only thing you can't get more of. So um, that's the thing you want to free up. Um, but that was a particularly good one. But 10x talk, um, and if you just Google him, he's he does a ton of podcasts.

unknown 38:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Um, Joe Polish is great. And uh the other one uh is newer. It's called The Bridge with Travis Haley. Um, and there in particular, episode one really talks about um you know vulnerability and sacrifice, and um, I think your listeners would relate to it.

SPEAKER_02 39:17

Those are such good ones. The four freedoms, I feel like it's such a seven one. We probably all of us need go listen to that. I would appreciate it. All sevens immediately goes. Let's go. Yeah. Um, but that is so true. Well, okay, I have a have two more. One, the other one, it may end up tying into that answer or that podcast recommendation. Um, we have already touched on this a little ourselves here, but just in general, the idea of success and like the pressure of finding your purpose and living the successful life. And there's definitely like a stereotypical image. And I think that is kind of breaking apart um more and more, but there is this pressure to be quote unquote successful. And so we strive for it, we do the shoulds, and then it turns out, gosh, that doesn't really fit with my version of success. Um, and then we finally start thinking about what does success look like for us. So I'm curious, according to Heidi, in your world, in your work, in your life, what does success look like for you?

SPEAKER_01 40:28

I mean, success is me being able to show up as my authentic self every day, as a mom, as a wife, as a member of society, um, with the people I work with. That would be the number one indicator of success for me. Um, beyond that, um, always be looking to the future because um, you know, that's where we're going to be making a mark. That's the next thing. How are we going to incorporate the amazing things that are being discovered or that are on the table and incorporate that into our lives to enrich them? So um, you know, future growth and excitement and being your authentic self.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

Okay. And before I ask you this last one, in case anybody's like, oh my gosh, Heidi, I have to tell you I feel the same way, or I have a question about a personality assessment, or they just want to say loved the episode. Where is the best place to get connected with you?

SPEAKER_01 41:37

Oh, um, I am on Instagram. Um, it's actually under Heidi Bailey. Um, so they could connect with me there. Um Beauty Culture sometimes, you know, you could connect with me there. Um, Beauty Culture Med Spa, that, you know, though any of those messages can can get to me one way or the other. Um, yeah, those would probably be the two best ways.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

Okay, and we'll we'll link those up um in the show notes here. Um you had kind of had mentioned this um about the future, looking into the future. Seven specifically um do tend to have very big ideas and big visions for their future. What is something that you are working on right now or planning in your head? Um, a new idea, anything hobby work related? Like what's a big vision that you're working towards right now?

SPEAKER_01 42:33

Well, at work, we are doing some really interesting things. And I feel like there's so many things on the horizon with um, you know, health and wellness, um, not an aesthetics, of course, but health and wellness in particular that are going to be life-changing. And so um I'm really excited to be a part of that, to be um, you know, on the cutting edge of offering the best and the newest to enhance people's lives.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Anything, anything personal that you have, like running a triathlon or anything, anything big, just curious, just curious.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Well, I have committed to the gym, so there's that. That's super big. Um uh yeah, I mean, after some health setbacks, um, which was kind of a blow, you know, uh being someone who is very physically fit and active and fitness instructor at one of my many jobs, um uh that has been a struggle for me. And so I'm looking forward to my best years are ahead of me and um it will be one bite at a time. Which is hard sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

But just being um active and moving my body and um, you know, activities of daily living being to fully embrace them and enjoy them and appreciate them for what they are.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

This has been a really good one. I've really enjoyed this. I appreciate you taking the time. Heidi and I, you you won't know this, but we're recording this on a Saturday afternoon. So I appreciate her taking some time on her free weekend to do this for us. Um, is there anything? I know we've covered a lot, all kinds of assessments, personal awareness, the Enneagram, type seven. Um is there anything that I haven't asked you or that we haven't talked about that you would like to share before we call this episode complete?

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Well, first of all, Sarah, I wanted to thank you for inviting me to be here. Um, I actually don't really consider myself an expert, but a student and a perpetual student. And I, you know, hope to always be.

SPEAKER_02 44:51

I love that. Love it, love it. Well, I we can all be students, yes. Students um for sure. So I appreciate you, Heidi, and um definitely get connected with her. I'll add her um links in the bio here. Let her know what you love about this. This is Heidi's debut podcast. I'm, you know, one of many, possibly in the future. Big visions, maybe. So we'll see, yes. Uh well, thank you so much, Lady. I appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Thank you very much, Sarah. I appreciate you as well.

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Thank you for listening to the Enneagram MBA podcast. Sarah offers Enneagram assessments for employees and entrepreneurs, and workshops for company teams and women's groups. To learn more about how Sarah can help you or your organization better understand people at work, visit EnneagramNBA.com.