SPEAKER_01 0:03

You're listening to the Enneagram at Work Podcast, a show about understanding people at work, including yourself. I'm your host, Sarah Wallace, and I'm looking forward to diving into this week's episode with you. Well, welcome back to another episode here on the Enneagram at Work Podcast. I am your host, Sarah Wallace, and today is another special episode because we are joined by a guest today. It's not just me, and we're going to hear from someone in the real world who is willing to share their experience, learning about the Enneagram, learning about their specific type, what they've learned about themselves, and their coworkers. So I'd like for you to welcome Susan LeParte, who is not far from me, I guess fellow Midwest person out of the Columbus, Ohio area. She is the director of operations for a dental group who runs three dental uh, I want to say studios, but practices. There we go. That's probably the best word. So uh Susan, welcome to the show. I'm so glad you're willing to do this. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Okay, so let's um, well, before we before we jump in, I wanted to start with your type, but before we bust into that, I wanted to share how we met. So you are part of the 3D dental group. You were at the summit in Nashville a couple of months ago. We connected. Would you share just a little bit about um your specific dental practice and what your team was doing at the conference?

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Sure. Um, my our our dentist owner is part of the 3D mastermind. So we have um had experience with 3D uh for some years, a year or so now. Um, and so this was their summit. This was their kind of big celebration for the year. Um, and my actually like my favorite part of it was your portion.

unknown 2:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Uh I have always been fascinated by personalities and how they affect other, like just human relations. So it was fun to listen and see.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Well, I have told multiple people after, I think I even talked about it here on the show at some point that you all had one of the most fun groups I've ever been a part of and such an awake group. Um, I think my session was at 9 a.m. or something like that. And you all were ready to go.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

After a night out. It was after a night out, my ears.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

After the night out, there was champagne flowing and clapping and photos of interesting um events from the night before. So I thought, man, this is a hard, it's a hard act to follow this morning opening session. Um, okay, well, let's get into it. So we went through the nine type overview. Uh, there was like a fun short quiz also that we did. And would you be willing to share where you landed after that experience?

SPEAKER_00 3:14

I I was a very strong type nine. I feel like I had uh some sprinkles of two, uh, but nothing identified me like nine did.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

Okay. And then uh so for our listeners, just as a reminder, the type nine is the striving to feel at peace. And that means I want to feel peace in my outside environment, and I also want to feel peaceful inside as well. So what are some of the specific qualities that we talked about or that maybe you've learned about since that really made you feel like, okay, this is my type.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Um I I'm the kind of person I I've always been a manager of for the last 20 years, I've been a manager of people. And so I don't know. I I feel like in my early career, I probably identified more as a type four, but I've grown into maybe a type nine. Um I it's I am a headline only kind of person. I am in it for the others. I don't necessarily it is it is my mission to see our day home be as peaceful as possible, to not have the drama, to communicate effectively, to um to just feel like literally feel at peace. I I don't want chaos in a work life, it's not necessary.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

Oh yeah, I think I think other nines are gonna be uh nodding along with that. It's just not necessary. Uh yeah, I I feel that. Uh you mentioned that you were the type two was kind of close for you as well. And I wanted just to touch on that, if you don't mind, because so often that is one of the biggest struggles that I will uh run into with people who are trying to narrow down their type. There's there's a lot of common ones, but I would say, am I a two or am I a nine? Probably in the top three or top five kind of type struggles. What about the two made you feel like, oh, I could see myself in here, or what overlap did you see for those two types uh for for yourself?

SPEAKER_00 5:28

I find myself being a coach and a cheerleader for the people in my life. And so that's how I kind of picked two into my life. Uh what I don't identify as much with two are the over strengths. Um, I feel like my overstrengths really fit more the type nine.

unknown 5:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

Okay. And for those of you who have been through a workshop, you know what Susan's talking about. And if you haven't, how we position the different qualities and characteristics or common behaviors of each type is that each type has several common strengths. Now, that doesn't mean if you identify with this type, you have all these strengths, or that if you don't identify with this type, you don't have any of those strengths, but it's just common tendencies. And then how we'll talk about um what some people call weaknesses or opportunities for growth, we position it as really it's the same energy. Sometimes you just overuse those strengths. And I love what you're saying, Susan, because in the typing process, that is one of my top tips that I will give to people. I will say, put away the strengths because sometimes it can be clouded by who we want to be or when we are living our best life, this is who we are. But this really is a problem resolution framework. And so we want to look at it maybe when you're stressed or you're overusing your strengths. What does that look like? And typically that's a more honest look at what type I am if you're stuck between two. So I love that that's kind of how that helped you narrow that down for sure.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

I think before you like take a personality assessment or my whole life, I've always wondered I I yearn to have type one or type five qualities. Yeah. Uh, and I'm just not that kind of person. And so I um have maybe thought of them as weaknesses that I didn't have those those parts to my personality. And when you do a personality type, you can kind of identify, oh, I'm this and I'm supposed to be this. And it's okay that I don't have those other parts. And I think that's what's so useful about the Enneagrams, is just the way that you can identify people that complement each other well. And when you are working on a certain project or need certain skills, you don't have to feel bad that you don't have them yourself. There's other people on your team that hopefully have those parts. And it is a nice way to look at your team as uh a whole unit that can kind of conquer all the things.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Yes, exactly. Oh, you said that so well. Um and it that comes up a lot for fellow type nines, because I think, especially in the workplace, that dynamic, there are a lot of qualities that I think might kind of have that unspoken, like they rank higher. Um, like the being very rational and logic and organized and decisive and speak concisely. And of course, those are things that can be beneficial. But there's many other things that I don't know get talked about as much that other types really shine at. And one of the things for the type nine is their ability to be incredibly influential through consensus building. Their leadership style is called the consensus builder because they want to make sure that everybody feels heard and seen. And when possible, everybody's voice is brought to the table to help make a decision, to help um move something forward. And I'm just curious, is that something that you see in yourself, that ability to bring people together, that consensus builder um gift?

SPEAKER_00 9:30

No question. Um, I've always kind of felt like as a person, I bring the weather to a room. So I feel like I can bring a calm. I feel like I can uh calm things down. Um, and I don't know if I've learned these skills over the years because I've managed really big teams. Um, this is actually the smallest team I've managed. So I don't I don't know if I I've grown into those skills, but for sure, uh as far as making people or wanting people to feel as valuable as the uh the next people, yes, it's like it is it is my motivation. It's it's it's what I feel I need to do.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Yes. And I I think sometimes that's where that um just that tension between am I a nine or am I a two will sometimes come from because I think the two has some of that energy. Um, but it's coming from a place more, how can I be of service? And not that nines aren't thinking that, but it's more how can everybody be heard and how can I include everybody, rather than me being the one to feel like I have to do it all.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Um, okay, so I'm I'm putting you on the spot a little bit and you don't have to answer. We'll cut this out if you if you don't want to, but one of the um because nines are so focused and so good at bringing the consensus, building the consensus, bringing the calm, the peace, the weather that you were saying, that calm environment, um, when it's overused, sometimes it can be experienced by others or just the situation as avoidant, or there's tension in the room, but it's not getting brought up because we don't want to, I don't want to rock the boat or cause a problem, make something worse. Um, is that something that you have noticed uh in yourself, especially in the workplace? We'll keep it to the workplace.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Maybe what maybe in my younger life, I have gotten to the point where I feel transparency is the best policy. I don't feel like I need to um I am more direct than I do not worry about conflict or confrontation because I don't find honesty to be super confrontational. I find honesty to be clear and people can either acknowledge that or not, but I'm not gonna be the one that's gonna stand in in confrontation. I'm just gonna bring the honesty to the table and you can either meet it or or be defensive about it. But when I when I do, when I am super transparent and there's nothing to hide, it's so easy to communicate because it's so easy to follow my decisions back because it's always based on logic and transparency and not trying to be deceiving or deceptive. So I don't feel like I have confrontation problems. I I it's not that I avoid conflict, I'm just open.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Yeah. Okay. And that is I I love hearing you say that. And that is a true kind of growth transformation for maybe like you what you were saying in your younger years, you might have avoided it. But it is possible to kind of change the story about what having like honesty being direct, what that means. I can actually, and this is exactly the kind of the reframe that we'll talk about during workshops for type nines is sometimes the initial story for some people, like you were saying, maybe in your younger years or or other people, it's um, gosh, if I say this, I might rock the boat or I might upset them. But really, you could change the story to if I say this, we can get through this situation more quickly. And then there's not the weird tension or awkward silence. And so that's actually gonna bring me more peace if I can speak honestly and directly, exactly what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 13:36

100%.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Yes. Okay, so I want to ask you another question if you're willing to share. The other thing with type nines that I hear often is that they don't love the spotlight, and they don't love to necessarily be called out. And so there there will be a section in some of our sessions where we'll talk about how to make your team feel appreciated because what makes you feel appreciated might be very different. And we have some people, I'm gonna call out our type threes, who a lot of times will say, call me on the stage, give me the trophy, shine the light on me, put me in the company newsletter. I want people to know what I'm doing. And we'll have other people, a lot of times the type nines, who will say, please don't ever call me on stage, don't call me out. Um, I want you to know that I'm appreciated, but I want to do it in a private way. Um, what's your preferences at getting positive recognition and and positive feedback like that?

SPEAKER_00 14:41

It really gives me the ick. I hate okay. I like there's nothing I like about it. I hate I do hate being spotlighted. Um, I the even this podcast kind of stretches me a little. And I'm used to I do all of our company like presentations, I do all of our company um meetings, we're planning a retreat in the fall. So so I mean I don't have a problem with public speaking. If what it is, I like to talk about myself necessarily. But this is a subject that I do. I as soon as we got back from the seminar, I rolled out a whole Enneagram uh program for our staff. And we're in this, we're still in the process. You know, I tell people, can you send me your type and like tracking people's types down? Some people are super easy to type and you can just identify them quickly. Some people, you know, they obviously some insight is needed. So um I'm passionate about the subject and rolling it out to the team and really kind of working with this tool to help our team get better. Um, so I don't have a problem talking about this subject, but if it we were just talking about myself, it's it is it's not a subject that it's weird, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 15:53

Yes. Okay, I was so thank you for being honest. And you're not alone. Um, and that is often what many nines will say, and it's that it's not a matter of public speaking, it's just sometimes it feels icky or like too self-promotional. And what's really interesting is when when we look at the Enneagram diagram, uh our nines are connected to the type six and to the type three. And so what we'll refer to as their neglected strategy is the type three, striving to feel outstanding. So, out of all the types, that tends to be the one that they resist the most. And a lot I hear from what you just said, you're yep, that's I hear that often. And so uh sometimes growth, in addition to speaking honestly and directly, like what you've said, is also looking for ways to um I want to say toot your own horn, but I I don't think nines would like that phrasing, but to um to share what you are doing, the positive things you are doing. Um, because sometimes we believe our work should speak for itself. And sometimes that's true. And then sometimes it's like, hey, look what I did. And that can feel so icky though at times. And so that's when you know you're growing, is you can say, hey, look what I did, or look what my team did. And that's really um, and I and I'm not saying this directly to you, Susan, but I think listeners who might identify as a type nine, especially in in leadership positions, um, can sometimes struggle with promoting their teams, even because of that self-promotional kind of hesitation or neglect at times. So um that's interesting that you said that. Um sometimes the what they'll call, have you got have you guys or have you dug into like the stress arrows, growth arrows? Is that nothing at all at all? Okay. So we so we have the neglected arrow. Um, and sometimes that is known as your growth arrow, because that's like the the best starting point. You can pull things from all types, but that's kind of your starting point. And then we have a stress arrow or a way that we will actually support our uh strategy when we're stressed out. And for nines, it's the six, striving to feel secure and safe. And so, um, and uh, sixes, you get a reputation for having high anxiety and stress and worst case scenario and never going with the flow. Um, and so nines, sometimes when they're stressed, who tend to be so easygoing, so you know, relaxed and open, um, allow things to unfold as they will in times of stress or seasons, depending on what kind of day they've had week, can start to show up and behave like a stressed six. And this is another kind of type conflict that will happen. And am I a six or am I a nine? And so the question is am I a six that's just really growing or am I a nine, sometimes you know, just really stressed out? Would you be willing to share if any of that hit home for you, but anything that you've noticed about how you show up that might be different than how people see you initially when you're stressed or tired or burnt out?

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Yeah, I for sure could identify with some of the six qualities in that regard. Um, so I work uh um we our our practices are owned by one person, and this one person has a couple of people that are around him, and one of the people that are around him is a strong type six. She identifies as a type six, and she really shows up as a type six, and a lot of her stress shows up as anxiety, and she has to um consider how he would be feeling all the time, and she's wrapped up in all of these stories in her head about it. Um, and and I can identify there was a time in my life where I probably was a six, I suffered from worst case scenario and the doom and gloom and the um afraid that I was dying every second. And I think um when I am stressed, I have a tendency to get over-emotional and anxious and consider worst-case scenario. Uh, I've cleaned up my mindset a lot over the last several years. So a lot of those tendencies or habits I have broken. So I am I identify as an old type six teamer.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

When I do get when I do get stressed, I do get anxious that I do, I do worry about things, but I just don't ride those thoughts for very long anymore.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

But then they pop, they do pop in. I just don't stand with them.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Okay. Okay. That's great. That's yeah, growth. We're always, we're always growing. Uh, so uh that's that's great. As a as a seven, which is what I identify most with, my stress arrow is the type one, which almost feels like the complete opposite. Yeah. But it does it was mind-blowing when I first learned about this part of the Enneagram because I was like, oh my gosh, I get so controlling, I get so perfectionistic. Um, it has to go this way. We're gonna have a good time no matter what. And uh, so it is just, it was like, oh wow. And so when you kind of know, it's like, oh, when I'm cleaning the baseboards or, you know, whatever it is, it's like, okay, so I'm stressed. I need to, you know, take take a step back, reset whatever I need to do. So um that's been helpful.

SPEAKER_00 21:56

It is a good tool to see yourself in that context and know that. It's just, it's not something that's wrong with you. It's just something that is to be aware about yourself. And you can make an adjustment based on, you know, my stress is showing up because I'm kind of moving into this type.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

Yes. Yes. And and this is one of the other pieces that can make the Enneagram typing process more challenging or um sometimes frustrating. People will say, I just want to know what my type is. Because it is so much. Well, you might look this way depending on the day you're having or the month you're having. Um, but that that core motivator, that core logic at the end of the day tends to be this other type most of the time. So it that also can, but I I think that to your point, it also can be so beneficial to have that complexity, to have a deeper understanding of yourself and others. So if if they're okay with it, um, I'd love to talk about the dynamic with the owner of the practices, because earlier you had mentioned that he identifies most as a type seven, and that's been really eye-opening. Uh, could you share just a little bit about what you've learned about him and how that has impacted um your relationship or and or just kind of the dynamic with the team knowing that?

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Sure. Um, I have only ever worked for big businesses before I started working for him. And in my experience, I don't have a one-on-one relationship with the owner of a business. Um, and so to all of a sudden have an owner that's in front of you and you're making decisions based on his behalf, you assume things about a person and their personality type that would be you must be the owner of a business. So you must have some type one qualities and some type five qualities. And when those don't show up with someone who is the owner of a business, you wonder like, what is the deal with this situation? Like, you have to have some planning strategies, you have to have some strategies that that you're looking at the long-term growth and and development of the staff. When you went up to the stage and talked about the Enneagram types, you know, in my mind, I can only identify one, I can only consider one person at a time as these types are coming up. I'm either considering myself or I'm he stuck out like a sore thumb and type seven. And as soon as I could understand what his motivation is, it changes everything I think about him. You know, he's a type seven, that's what he's striving for. And and then I can flip the switch in my head to realize the strengths that he brings to the table as a type seven. He does not get lost in analysis, paralysis. He keeps us moving forward. He's looking for the next best thing. And it really helps me appreciate him as an owner because he does have these qualities. And then to be able to um give that to the team who also kind of struggles with, well, why doesn't he have this quality or why doesn't he have this quality? It's like, oh, but he has all these other qualities. And if we had a type one or a type five, we wouldn't move as fast. And maybe it's not as a smooth ride, but we're moving and let's appreciate him for that. So it's allowed us all to have a better relationship, I think, because it does highlight the the qualities in people that you overlook when you're looking for something else. And so now I just need him to be a type seven. I need him to like keep us moving forward. I need us to um be excited about our growth. And that's what he does for us. And um it has changed the way we all look at him.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Yes. Oh, I love hearing that. Um, and again, you said that so well. Regardless of who, you know, the type of the leadership, it can be so eye-opening to be to see, oh, to your point, we're thinking they should be this way. But when we see their strengths, we realize, oh my gosh, we wouldn't have half this stuff if they weren't like this. So we need them to lean into that um and just kind of yeah, dial it in correctly as often as possible. And um, you know, the dynamic between a seven and a nine, one of the things that jumps out at me, just based on what you've shared, resonates with you as a type nine, is sevens do tend to be so forward-focused, much like the three or the eight, they're in that assertive stance. So it's jump and the net will appear. Uh, we'll figure it out along the way, we'll make mistakes, but we'll fix them on the go. And uh, I think the nine can bring uh that uh let's let's bring others into the conversation because sevens can get so excited about their idea. And a nine can really complement that excitement by, hey, let's check in with the team. Let's, you know, how is this gonna impact them? Or let's consider how how this is going to impact them. And so that new idea can still be exciting, but it allows other people to come along with them when you have somebody like the nine, or sometimes like the two, who are thinking about how's this gonna impact the rest of the team? Where sometimes seven leaders are just so focused on moving forward, we don't think about those kind of things. So that's a really great um kind of synergy. Any anything else like that stand out to you about your relationship specifically with him?

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Just that we need to pull in a one or a five more into the conversation. I think that we often um make decisions without all the facts. And I'm I'm also like, I don't want details, I want headlines. So if you give me details, like I get bored. I my mind will wander. I'm in my mind, I'm like, I'm smart enough, I'm already filling in the details. I don't want you to bog me down with all the information. Give me the headlines, I got the gist of it. Let's go. And he's also like, you know, three steps ahead and pulling the plug already. And it's like, oh, we need a less bumpy ride for the staff. Let's pull in a one or let's pull in a five and make sure that we do have all of our plans in place. Let's make sure that we do get more information and maybe stop and fact gather. Um, or if we're if we're losing structure, don't have a lot of structure, who can we pull into this conversation to give us that point of view or perspective? So it is, and realizing also that he he's surrounded, you know, in in rooms where he's doing complex surgeries. Yeah. Um that he needs to have an assistant that is still bringing some lightness to the room that's that's not um lost in the details, that's kind of keeping him in a conversation that's pleasant. And because he he's even in a surgery bogged down, he's still looking for, you know, a little bit of excitement in his mind. So um it's helped us support him as a doctor better by not getting lost in the mundane details and having four hours go by where we didn't give him any like lightheartedness.

unknown 29:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

See, and those are all very important things uh to to know about. So uh so with the with the one in the five energy, the thing that is really standing out to you, it sounds like is we need somebody with kind of more data to back the decisions, more facts to influence our decision making. Is that correct?

SPEAKER_00 30:08

Yeah, I'm big picture and he's just looking for the next idea. And so I can see the big picture, but as far as like in the implementation of the actual plan, let's pull in some of these other people that have that are better at paving the road softer. So we don't have to take the bumpy road every time we go. We'll get there. We'll get there, but it it needs to be smoother for some of our staff members.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Yes, yes. Okay, okay. Um, in my experience, sixes can be really helpful in those times as well because they do have that, well, what's what's next, and are able to think through worst case scenario and then prepare for it. And well, if we made this decision, what might happen? And so that can be also a really great pairing when a six and a seven work together. To your point, it is just a matter of understanding each other's styles so that you're bringing the complementary pieces at the right time rather than to your point, bogging the seven down with details or negativity or we can't do this. Um, and so that's kind of a delicate dance. But you know, that that's that's how relationships are.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

They are at least we have these tools now to understand each other and realize that sometimes our sixes don't like to make decisions um in my mind because they're afraid or lack the confidence sometimes to make decisions and look. And and since our doctor or our owner is a seven, he also um doesn't he doesn't necessarily like to be caught up in every detail either. Um so it is it's it's supporting our six in a way that gives her security, but doesn't need it does the answer doesn't need to come from numbers from seven.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Yeah, yeah. Uh very, very typical uh dynamic there. Um and I see a lot of there probably were a lot more sevens in the at the event than I typically get to be around in a regular corporate environment. Um I see a lot of sevens who are entrepreneurs, and that makes sense probably based on what we've talked about. And inside an organization, I see them a lot of times maybe in the marketing department or leading some new initiative or starting a new department where they can, you know, bring those new ideas and excitement and get people on board. Um and so that it's just interesting to hear that you know the owner uh is at that kind of that entrepreneurial uh seven that you see often and kind of outside the corporate world at times. Um so let me let me ask you this because this is something I'm sure our listeners are curious about. You had mentioned you brought back and kind of created, you brought back the Enneagram and kind of created your own program. Susan, this is probably the top question that I get even after day-long uh workshops is now what? How do we keep this alive? What do we do? Would you be willing to share some of the things that you're doing inside your um team using the Enneagram? Sure.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

So I had no experience with the Enneagram, you know, before uh I saw your presentation. So when we got back, all I did was um kind of share the type, share the pet peeves, share the overstrengths of each type, and then have the staff um kind of type themselves and more to also introduce Dr. McCormick and help people understand his work style better. Um so that was right when we got back from Nashville. We are doing a retreat on August 21st now that I'm preparing for. And now it's like, okay, now you know your type. What are some harmonic blends that we have together? Um, and what are some, what does a stressed-out type look like and how to support them? I think it's more um understanding how we work as a team together better with this tool and how you can uh notice when you're in a stressed-out state of being and how to get yourself kind of back on track. Um yeah, I I have a lot of diving to do still before our program or retreat happens. Um but that's kind of the goal is to now that we are aware of each other, um, how do we work together and how do we use this as a complement for better teams?

SPEAKER_01 35:05

And that's and that's really all that it is is just keeping it alive, keep keeping the conversation, finding ways to interject what you learned about the Enneagram, what you're learning about yourself, others. So I love what you're doing is intentionally having time to share. Hey, this is our team dynamic. Hey, this is our our leader's type, and this is how best to get along with them. Um, this is how to get along with each other. Um, this is what we look like in stress. So all these things that you're talking about, it is just a matter of talking about it's like going to the gym. It's like you can have a really great workout with a personal trainer, but unless you go back to the gym, it's gonna be really hard to see any kind of result. So you're you're doing, you know, the post uh great day with a personal trainer where it's like, okay, now we got to put in the reps, we got to keep talking about it. Um, so I think that that will hopefully inspire others just to look for different ways. And and we have different suggestions and ideas, and um the you know, the team map is a great thing just to kind of always pull out and refer to and add add new hires to so that you are constantly who's great at this or what why might this be causing, why might be we be having friction here? Um, and to start to understand some of that. So I love that you're doing that, Susan. Um, well, I appreciate your time so much. Um, I know that you all are very busy, and so thank you for making the time. And then as a nine to your point earlier, I know that this is a little out of your comfort zone. So thank you for taking that step and joining me. Um, is there anything that you would like to say that I haven't asked you about that would kind of make this episode feel complete before I ask you where people can find you online?

SPEAKER_00 36:54

Um, I mean, I just I think understanding each other, I think we are all busy with, you know, daily stress, and we forget that we're these our own unique, perspective, unique perspective and points of view, and we assume that everybody thinks like us. And because you're not behaving in a way I think you should, based on that reaction, um, you know, I have a judgment. And and the Enneagram like brings back the the judgment. I don't have to, that's just we're just different. And it's okay that you have this and you have strengths, and it's okay, I'm like this and I have strengths. And um it, I don't have to blame you as a person, and you don't have to feel bad as this kind of person. You just you are who you are, and we all complement each other, and we need each part of the team. And so, you know, I before I was like, I do not want to identify as a one. I do not want to identify as, you know, certain certain ones or whatever, but there's I I it makes you aware of how important they are, and there's uh one person doesn't have all of the things, um, and we need each person to complement the whole circle. So uh it's really been useful for us for sure.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Well said. So well said. I'll just I'll leave that there. Um if anybody is a fellow nine and wants to say, oh, Susan, I felt you there, and just say hi, or reach out and maybe ask questions about what you're doing with your team. Um, where can people, what's the best place that people can connect with you? Or if they happen to be listening in the Columbus or Cleveland, Ohio area and they need a good dental uh dentist, let us know about the dental practice too, please.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Okay, we are at McCormick Dental Group. So you can uh find us online at McCormick Dental Group.com. Um, my email is Susan.mcquormick dental group at gmail.com. Um, my Instagram handle is as uh Susan J3476. So I can also be found there.

unknown 39:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 39:06

All right. Well, Susan, I so appreciate you taking the time. Um, listeners, definitely reach out. If you have questions, ask Susan. Um, let her let her know what you're taking away from this episode. As always, thank you for being here, and we'll see you in the next one.